John Fram’s The Bright Lands is the queer, supernatural thriller the world needs right now

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John Fram pulled from his own experiences as an outsider in rural Texas and his obsession with crime novelists like Mary Higgins Clark to create The Bright Lands. The novel is one of the most original takes on modern noir I have ever read. Now living in New York, Fram has written for a variety of publications, including The New York Times and The Atlantic. He recently had an opinion in the Times entitled “How White Crime Writers Justified Police Brutality.”

Adam Vitcavage is joined by John Fram to discuss his debut book The Bright Lands. We discuss being an outsider, writing modern noirs, and police brutality in media. Please read his New York Times piece “How White Crime Writers Justified Police Brutality” here:…ce-brutality.html

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